I've been feeling pretty good about the game lately but sometimes a few asshats ruin everything. Last night I ran Shribryn in a good ICC 10 PuG run by Chewy and was able to finish 8/12 bosses in ICC. That gave me plenty of badges which I was able to get another tier piece for Shrib. It was a nice relaxed run and everyone got lots of loot.
Fast forward to tonight. I knew I wanted to run Henna and Delan in ICC tonight and figured since I waited that I was going to have trouble finding a decent group.
Henna's ICC group had low dps and while I was able to keep everyone alive while everyone had over a 5.2k gearscore only a few could break 5k in dps and most were under 4k. One bad thing is even though we had a vent server, the raid leader never joined it. He is one of the rising problems for PuGs. That being players that create a raid but have no support mechanism (vent) or ability/desire to actually call out strategies. Most of these people say ... there's the boss ... hit it until dead. You can get away with that on the first few bosses but not when you go further into the instance. When we hit Saurfang I knew we where in trouble and the fact a boomkin had no idea how to do the fight made it even worse. We wiped badly and when the group questioned the boomkin he had a sudden disconnect. This boomkin never dps'ed the adds, had a 5.5k gearscore and did a little over 4k in damage while focused on the boss the whole time. The loss of a raid member that far into an instance means a disband on that's what happened. Result: 3/12 bosses down.... no loot.
Delan's ICC group looked pretty good at the start. The dps on the trash was stellar but it is really hard to tell due to all the aoe's. One issue I had is I've been working on improving my keybinds for Delan and when I got into the raid I fell back into my old keybind habits and stunted my dps. I did well on the trash but on the first boss a hunter less geared than I outdps'ed my by about 10%. I redid all my keybinds for the second boss but continued to struggle as my mind has half learned the old keybinds and the new keybinds. As opposed to Henna's group this raid had vent and was talking non-stop during the first few bosses. His favorite subject was about how much he wanted a drop from the 3rd boss. DPS wasn't a huge issue in this group as even though I was struggling on Delan I was still hitting 7-8k dps with her. The other hunter was in the same ballpark while a rogue was in the same vicinity. No one really was really low although it was obvious a few people didn't know the fights that well. We finish the 3rd boss and I actually lead dps on that fight even with my gimped setup. The leader loots the chest and immediately says, "NOOOOOO!" I had forgotten his earlier comments about wanting a piece of loot and it was obvious it didn't drop. He passes out the loot and someone asks for a 2 minute break. It took us 40 minutes to get through the first 3 bosses which was a pretty fair pace. Then the leader comes on vent, "Sorry guys. Step dad is making me logoff. Gotta go...", and he's gone. Weakest excuse ever. The rest of us have to pick up the pieces but the rogue says... I need to go too and logs. Keep in mind we have only been raiding for 40 minutes. Most guilds raid for 4 hours straight for 3-4 nights a week and it is obvious that both of these guys logged because the bosses we could down didn't have the loot they wanted. We decide to try to 8 man it but me and the other hunter are the only ranged dps. I think it is a fools errand but we got him to 10% before wiping. It was obvious that our 4 dps just couldn't pull it off. It didn't help that me and the other hunter lead the charts despite needing to kite/kill mobs. We all cursed the 2 players that left and left group. Result: 3/12 bosses down. No loot.
It is amazing how two bad runs like this can put a damper on the whole game. I am pretty dependent on pugs for my gear these days and runs like this just make me want to never do it again. I really hope that Blizzard 's new 10 man raiding focus will make things like this a thing of the past. The key I think is to be in a guild that has lots of alts so I don't need to depend on pugs.
May the asshats roast in hell.
Fast forward to tonight. I knew I wanted to run Henna and Delan in ICC tonight and figured since I waited that I was going to have trouble finding a decent group.
Henna's ICC group had low dps and while I was able to keep everyone alive while everyone had over a 5.2k gearscore only a few could break 5k in dps and most were under 4k. One bad thing is even though we had a vent server, the raid leader never joined it. He is one of the rising problems for PuGs. That being players that create a raid but have no support mechanism (vent) or ability/desire to actually call out strategies. Most of these people say ... there's the boss ... hit it until dead. You can get away with that on the first few bosses but not when you go further into the instance. When we hit Saurfang I knew we where in trouble and the fact a boomkin had no idea how to do the fight made it even worse. We wiped badly and when the group questioned the boomkin he had a sudden disconnect. This boomkin never dps'ed the adds, had a 5.5k gearscore and did a little over 4k in damage while focused on the boss the whole time. The loss of a raid member that far into an instance means a disband on that's what happened. Result: 3/12 bosses down.... no loot.
Delan's ICC group looked pretty good at the start. The dps on the trash was stellar but it is really hard to tell due to all the aoe's. One issue I had is I've been working on improving my keybinds for Delan and when I got into the raid I fell back into my old keybind habits and stunted my dps. I did well on the trash but on the first boss a hunter less geared than I outdps'ed my by about 10%. I redid all my keybinds for the second boss but continued to struggle as my mind has half learned the old keybinds and the new keybinds. As opposed to Henna's group this raid had vent and was talking non-stop during the first few bosses. His favorite subject was about how much he wanted a drop from the 3rd boss. DPS wasn't a huge issue in this group as even though I was struggling on Delan I was still hitting 7-8k dps with her. The other hunter was in the same ballpark while a rogue was in the same vicinity. No one really was really low although it was obvious a few people didn't know the fights that well. We finish the 3rd boss and I actually lead dps on that fight even with my gimped setup. The leader loots the chest and immediately says, "NOOOOOO!" I had forgotten his earlier comments about wanting a piece of loot and it was obvious it didn't drop. He passes out the loot and someone asks for a 2 minute break. It took us 40 minutes to get through the first 3 bosses which was a pretty fair pace. Then the leader comes on vent, "Sorry guys. Step dad is making me logoff. Gotta go...", and he's gone. Weakest excuse ever. The rest of us have to pick up the pieces but the rogue says... I need to go too and logs. Keep in mind we have only been raiding for 40 minutes. Most guilds raid for 4 hours straight for 3-4 nights a week and it is obvious that both of these guys logged because the bosses we could down didn't have the loot they wanted. We decide to try to 8 man it but me and the other hunter are the only ranged dps. I think it is a fools errand but we got him to 10% before wiping. It was obvious that our 4 dps just couldn't pull it off. It didn't help that me and the other hunter lead the charts despite needing to kite/kill mobs. We all cursed the 2 players that left and left group. Result: 3/12 bosses down. No loot.
It is amazing how two bad runs like this can put a damper on the whole game. I am pretty dependent on pugs for my gear these days and runs like this just make me want to never do it again. I really hope that Blizzard 's new 10 man raiding focus will make things like this a thing of the past. The key I think is to be in a guild that has lots of alts so I don't need to depend on pugs.
May the asshats roast in hell.