Someday I'm going to stop writing about idiots soon but this stuff just drives me crazy.
Tonight I had a PuG Heroic Pit of Saron going with Saelle and it was a decent run. The group was decent but not great. I think everyone was in the 220 range for gear which is plenty for that instance (fwiw I am at 210 now). The tank (paladin) was reasonably competent but didn't build threat quickly, the other 2 dps (warrior/deathknight) had good gear but were in the 1800-2200 dps range, and the healer (shaman) seemed a bit slow with his heals. OK ... perhaps the group was less than average but I have found that a good hunter (and I feel I am getting there) can help a bad group through any instance.
We started off pretty good taking down the trash mobs pretty easy. The good thing about trash mobs is you get an idea of everyone's ability. The bad thing is the fights can be very misleading since healing isn't very heavy and many dps classes don't shine until they get all their buffs up (rogue is a good example). We get to the first boss with little issue and during the first fight I pull 4k dps and the others are under 2k. I died near the end of this fight and it probably was the healers fault as he seemed to be falling behind. I have been in the shaman's shoes a few times and it is a difficult fight to heal so I didn't think much of it.
We move on to the next boss and this turns in to a bit of a disaster. This boss has about 4 different abilities and you need to do different things to combat each ability. Hunters really have an advantage here as we can pretty much stand at a distance and dps for all of the phases. The other 2 dps died pretty early to the AOE poison and then the chase mechanic but the tank, healer and I slowly took down his health until he was at about 10%. I noticed my aggro was high so I feigned death but noticed that it didn't take so I misdirected to the tank and continued to attack. When target is under 20% health, I can get some really good proc's with Kill Shot so I'm enjoying myself just pounding on the boss when suddenly I realize he is headed right at me. I quickly hit my Explosive shot then disengaged and waited the half second for my Kill Shot to cool down before hitting it. I barely got it off and the boss died at my feet. I looked up and saw that the tank had died which made me feel good because I thought perhaps my MD didn't work and I pulled aggro. Healer says to the tank ... "Sorry, you went out of my line of sight." I could tell the tank wasn't buying the story but I just moved on to the next pull.
I call the next part of PoS the "Hill of Death" and I have written about it in previous posts. It is really difficult for a healer and especially if aggro isn't controlled. Someone marked the mobs while the tank had to bio so he remarked when he returned, "Who marked the mobs?" No one responded so the tank just charged. I misdirected to the tank then attacked the skull target when I realized that someone had chosen the Melee dps as the first target which is actually opposite of what should happen. I could see my aggro building quickly so I switched to the correct AoE mob when the first marked target charged and killed me. Seconds later... the whole party was dead. When a wipe happens the first thing I do is look at the Recount logs to recreate the event. From what I could gather, the tank died first, then me, then everyone else. The tank asked in partychat .. "What happened?" I know from my longtime healing experience that the healer is about to be blamed for the wipe. I looked at the recount death log for the tank and see that about 4 seconds from death the tank got a 2k heal and then another 2k heal at 2 seconds. Unfortunately the tank was taking a lot more damage than that. No one responded to the tank's question so he made the statement, "I didn't get heals." Bingo! I saw that coming. 2 seconds later the option to kick the healer from the party pops up on my screen. I start to type in chat to discuss it when I see the message, "Vote passed ... Healer kicked" (it doesn't really say that but I'm paraphrasing).
I'm big on teaching. If someone is struggling to do something I want to figure out why and help them improve. It doesn't matter to me that I will probably never group with this person ever again but I get enjoyment from helping people play better. When the vote came on the screen I was typing something to the effect of, "The mobs were marked wrong so we focused on the wrong target, the tank needs to get more aggro, and the healer needs to use his bigger heals". Instead I am stunned as the healer is now gone. He wasn't great but he was friendly enough and seemed like he would have listened. My half written sentence is on the screen and I'm not sure what to say at this point. I could complain that the tank has pretty high demands for someone that doesn't have great aggro generation. Or that since a kick has to be a majority that the other 2 dps voted to kick the healer as well ... the dps that were barely doing 2k dps and died to simple fight mechanics on the previous boss that should have been avoided. I knew my arguments would be fruitless as the deed had been done and I wouldn't teach these idiots anything. So I did the idiot thing myself and dropped group.
I needed two items from the last boss but I felt good about my decision. Since we can't chat cross-realm the healer would never know I stood up for him but maybe the next time the idiot tank would think twice before rashly kicking someone. Even though I wasn't there to witness it, I'm pretty sure this story ends with the tank looking up the "Hill of death" with 2 subpar dps and no healer so he did what all idiots do when faced with adversity and he left the group as well. Is it possible that someone came in and carried them to the finish? It's possible but that's not how the story ends in my mind and that is all that matters. And if the story ended as I expect I don't feel bad for any of them as they sealed their fate when they all voted to quick-kick the healer with no discussion.
Tonight I had a PuG Heroic Pit of Saron going with Saelle and it was a decent run. The group was decent but not great. I think everyone was in the 220 range for gear which is plenty for that instance (fwiw I am at 210 now). The tank (paladin) was reasonably competent but didn't build threat quickly, the other 2 dps (warrior/deathknight) had good gear but were in the 1800-2200 dps range, and the healer (shaman) seemed a bit slow with his heals. OK ... perhaps the group was less than average but I have found that a good hunter (and I feel I am getting there) can help a bad group through any instance.
We started off pretty good taking down the trash mobs pretty easy. The good thing about trash mobs is you get an idea of everyone's ability. The bad thing is the fights can be very misleading since healing isn't very heavy and many dps classes don't shine until they get all their buffs up (rogue is a good example). We get to the first boss with little issue and during the first fight I pull 4k dps and the others are under 2k. I died near the end of this fight and it probably was the healers fault as he seemed to be falling behind. I have been in the shaman's shoes a few times and it is a difficult fight to heal so I didn't think much of it.
We move on to the next boss and this turns in to a bit of a disaster. This boss has about 4 different abilities and you need to do different things to combat each ability. Hunters really have an advantage here as we can pretty much stand at a distance and dps for all of the phases. The other 2 dps died pretty early to the AOE poison and then the chase mechanic but the tank, healer and I slowly took down his health until he was at about 10%. I noticed my aggro was high so I feigned death but noticed that it didn't take so I misdirected to the tank and continued to attack. When target is under 20% health, I can get some really good proc's with Kill Shot so I'm enjoying myself just pounding on the boss when suddenly I realize he is headed right at me. I quickly hit my Explosive shot then disengaged and waited the half second for my Kill Shot to cool down before hitting it. I barely got it off and the boss died at my feet. I looked up and saw that the tank had died which made me feel good because I thought perhaps my MD didn't work and I pulled aggro. Healer says to the tank ... "Sorry, you went out of my line of sight." I could tell the tank wasn't buying the story but I just moved on to the next pull.
I call the next part of PoS the "Hill of Death" and I have written about it in previous posts. It is really difficult for a healer and especially if aggro isn't controlled. Someone marked the mobs while the tank had to bio so he remarked when he returned, "Who marked the mobs?" No one responded so the tank just charged. I misdirected to the tank then attacked the skull target when I realized that someone had chosen the Melee dps as the first target which is actually opposite of what should happen. I could see my aggro building quickly so I switched to the correct AoE mob when the first marked target charged and killed me. Seconds later... the whole party was dead. When a wipe happens the first thing I do is look at the Recount logs to recreate the event. From what I could gather, the tank died first, then me, then everyone else. The tank asked in partychat .. "What happened?" I know from my longtime healing experience that the healer is about to be blamed for the wipe. I looked at the recount death log for the tank and see that about 4 seconds from death the tank got a 2k heal and then another 2k heal at 2 seconds. Unfortunately the tank was taking a lot more damage than that. No one responded to the tank's question so he made the statement, "I didn't get heals." Bingo! I saw that coming. 2 seconds later the option to kick the healer from the party pops up on my screen. I start to type in chat to discuss it when I see the message, "Vote passed ... Healer kicked" (it doesn't really say that but I'm paraphrasing).
I'm big on teaching. If someone is struggling to do something I want to figure out why and help them improve. It doesn't matter to me that I will probably never group with this person ever again but I get enjoyment from helping people play better. When the vote came on the screen I was typing something to the effect of, "The mobs were marked wrong so we focused on the wrong target, the tank needs to get more aggro, and the healer needs to use his bigger heals". Instead I am stunned as the healer is now gone. He wasn't great but he was friendly enough and seemed like he would have listened. My half written sentence is on the screen and I'm not sure what to say at this point. I could complain that the tank has pretty high demands for someone that doesn't have great aggro generation. Or that since a kick has to be a majority that the other 2 dps voted to kick the healer as well ... the dps that were barely doing 2k dps and died to simple fight mechanics on the previous boss that should have been avoided. I knew my arguments would be fruitless as the deed had been done and I wouldn't teach these idiots anything. So I did the idiot thing myself and dropped group.
I needed two items from the last boss but I felt good about my decision. Since we can't chat cross-realm the healer would never know I stood up for him but maybe the next time the idiot tank would think twice before rashly kicking someone. Even though I wasn't there to witness it, I'm pretty sure this story ends with the tank looking up the "Hill of death" with 2 subpar dps and no healer so he did what all idiots do when faced with adversity and he left the group as well. Is it possible that someone came in and carried them to the finish? It's possible but that's not how the story ends in my mind and that is all that matters. And if the story ended as I expect I don't feel bad for any of them as they sealed their fate when they all voted to quick-kick the healer with no discussion.
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